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Two Fish Swimming Upstream: Finding Creative Reward in Artistic Resistance

—Conversations at the Newberry

Join Nataki Garrett and Eric Ting as they discuss the systemic challenges facing BIPOC theater directors in an unprecedented moment of vulnerability in the American theater.

Eric Ting and Nataki Garrett

This program will be held in-person at the Newberry and livestreamed on Zoom. The online version of this event will be live captioned. Please register below.

In this installment of "Conversations at the Newberry," two BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, People of Color) former leaders of west coast Shakespeare theaters—Nataki Garrett, Oregon Shakespeare Festival, and Eric Ting, California Shakespeare Theater—reflect back upon their tenures, the challenges they faced, and the systems they wrestled against. They invite us to imagine pathways through this unprecedented moment of vulnerability in the American theater.

“Conversations at the Newberry” are generously sponsored by Sue and Melvin Gray.


Nataki Garrett, former Artistic Director of the Oregon Shakespeare Festival, is widely recognized as an innovative and influential arts leader. Her approach to revitalizing classical theater is driven by both an appreciation for these works and a desire to expand their visions and audiences with new models of access.

Eric Ting
, the new co-director of Soho Rep Theater, is an Obie Award-winning director whose work lives at the intersection of art and community practice. The former Artistic Director of California Shakespeare Theater, he remains deeply committed to developing new and diverse voices for the theater.

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